<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356738794393378915</id><updated>2011-04-21T16:04:31.358-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Bangalore OpenForum Blog</title><subtitle type='html'>OpenForum is a bangalore based group to discuss and disseminate information about contemporary issues. We meet one every 6 weeks and debate a previously decided upon topic.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://openforumblr.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2356738794393378915/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://openforumblr.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Prasad A. Chodavarapu</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14572906713142056080</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>4</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356738794393378915.post-9061885395586677181</id><published>2008-12-07T09:59:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-07T11:16:32.491-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Discussion on proposed "Public Funded Research and Development (Protection, Utilization and Regulation of Intellectual Property) Bill"</title><content type='html'>My high-level take aways from the discussion on &lt;a href="http://spicyipindia.blogspot.com/2008/07/mysterious-indian-bayh-dole-bill.html"&gt;"Public Funded Research and Development (Protection, Utilization and Regulation of Intellectual Property) Bill"&lt;/a&gt; are:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;Bootstrapping of IP generation and commercialization is too important an activity and I just hope this bill is passed ASAP by the parliament.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I would love to see more accountability provisions in the bill. A minimal return on investment should be mandated in return for higher public spending on research.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;If this bill is to succeed and IP generation in public funded research is to take off, it is very important to educate the research community on IP related concepts and practice. It's heartening to see that the bill mandates the creation of an IP management cell in every institution that receives public funding for research.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:166;"  &gt;Running notes from IP Discussion&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Basics of IP&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;IP rights are seen as incentive for inventors and investors&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Seen as "good for public"&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Not clear if this assumption is true&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;" &gt;Research on this topic is inconclusive&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Different types of IP rights&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Patents&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Copyrights&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;" &gt;Protects works of authorship&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Bcos of BERN convention, copyrights are almost universal where as patents are territorial&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Trademarks&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Trade Secrets&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;International conventions on IP Protection&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;BERN convention for copyrights&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Paris convention for Industrial IP&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;TRIPS under WTO&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;All of these try to accomplish basic consistency in laws&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Most IP rights (except Trademarks, Trade Secrets) are time-bound&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Ashcroft case challenged consistent prolonging of copyright terms&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;" &gt;Mickey mouse syndrome&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;IP created via public-funding&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;US act allowed universities to own IP that comes out research funded by the public&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Similar bill proposed in india&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Timelimit proposed for IP disclosure&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Countries in which univ wants to retain rights also need to be listed&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Univ MUST take steps within certain time period before the right to claim expires&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Only disclosed IP can be owened by the inventor&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;IP management cell must be set up - otherwise, funding will be suspended&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;30% of income needs to be shared with the inventors&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Out of the remaining 70%, 30% can be used by the IP cell&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Exemptions&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;E.g., Methods of medical treatment is excluded in india&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Govt. has the declare IP as unenforceable, or mandate compulsory licensing&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Questions for discussion&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Is IP protection warranted?&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Debate died down bcos of WTO&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;IP rights encourage technology transfer&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Reverse engineering efforts are "Wasteful"&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;IP rights do not really encourage "creators"; they do make sense where large investments are required&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Countries should be able to decide on areas where IP rights should be reduced&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Patent offices are not always doing their job leading to abuse&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Does India need such a legislation?&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Data shows 70% govt funding of all public research&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Puts pressure to re-invest in research&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Puts presssure to show returns on investment&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Does it impede knowledge sharing?&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Should it go further?&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Should it mandate certain rate of return&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Spirit of extracting value&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Good inventions stay on the shelf currently&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;No infrastructure to file a patent&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;No infra to market inventions&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Awareness will grow among the academia&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Implementability&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Infrastructure for commercialization is missing&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Companies can exploit faculty?&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;"Return on investment" is the point that really needs to be made&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2356738794393378915-9061885395586677181?l=openforumblr.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://openforumblr.blogspot.com/feeds/9061885395586677181/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2356738794393378915&amp;postID=9061885395586677181' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2356738794393378915/posts/default/9061885395586677181'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2356738794393378915/posts/default/9061885395586677181'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://openforumblr.blogspot.com/2008/12/discussion-on-proposed-public-funded.html' title='Discussion on proposed &quot;Public Funded Research and Development (Protection, Utilization and Regulation of Intellectual Property) Bill&quot;'/><author><name>Prasad A. Chodavarapu</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14572906713142056080</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356738794393378915.post-4753773801414714001</id><published>2008-12-07T08:49:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-14T09:25:14.129-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Higher education policy in India</title><content type='html'>Here are my high-level impressions from OpenForum's discussion on higher education policy in india.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;India did quite a reasonable job so far on expansion of higher education. Cost of educating an engineer is the lowest in India! While the quality of education is indeed suspect, the world's hunger for more and more engineers has been met quickly by the Indian education sector.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;What's really sad is that the government is still stuck with the idea that education should not be profit-oriented and hence, in india, only non-profits organizations such as trusts can open colleges. Apparently, this is the case elsewhere as well but I feel it is terrible for India because it shuts out actors like TATA and Reliance from education. We cannot have a chain of Reliance colleges, all sharing common infrastructure. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:166;"  &gt;Running notes from Higher Education Policy Discussion&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Expansion&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;10% enrolment in higher education&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Only 30% of stength in engg. medicine and management education where private expenditure is 85%&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;PhD - 0.5%, PG - 8% of overall graduate population&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Per university, we only have 4000 students?!&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;65% engg. enrolments in southern states; not the case for overall higher education&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Is english a determinant?&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;govt. expansion is very low&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Education is defined as state responsibility&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Maharashtra: high % of budget going to education?&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Personal expenditure needs to be taken into account, because % of personal income spent on kids education is quite high&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;As % of total adult population, &lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;While expansion is happening, it is skewed by region/groups&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;My observations&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Random expansion, based on need of the hour?&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Skew in higher education towards engg. Medicine, Management need more attention if not arts.&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Relevance of higher education in rural areas?&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Only 5 engg colleges in UP until mild 90s&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Are new IITs, IIMs an answer to expansion needs? &lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Expansion into sectors that are not in "demand" is a government issue&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Unlike in nehruvian era, educational expansion doesn't seem to be by design&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Focus is on number expansion rather than on efficiency improvements&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;How many students is each university catering to?&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Rayudu's observations&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Initial focus on education was to produce civil servants&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;But today, more than 50% of the economy is services-centric&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Govt's focus was on access to elementary education&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Socialist leanings meant - Education was seen as out of bounds for private investment&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;1986, 1991-92: Privatization allowed where there was a manpower crunch&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Very low cost in producing a graduate!&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Cartels in medicine and CA stopped expansion&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;People's aspirations drove expansion areas&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Globalization impacted this&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;725,000 seats in engg., 400,000 in ploytechnic&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Summary&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Govt. should limit to balancing acts&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Expansion did not happen in all areas&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Rural expansion: is it required? how should statistics be read?&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Inclusion&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Quality&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Engineering education acting as a proxy for ...?&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Degradation in quality where market drivers are not there&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Accreditation&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Institutional level accreditation - NAC&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;NBA - by AICTE - certifies at program level&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Until 2004&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;70 metrics under 8 categories&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;57 metrics now&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;About 19 independent factors&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;     &lt;p&gt; Should be predominantly process and input oriented - but seems to mix some output metrics that are not fully controllable by the program that is being accredited &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Problem in one metric can be overcome by better prerformance in other metrics, bcos total score is used for accreditation&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Marking is subjective even if some of the metrics are objective&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Globally, is document-intensive but not in india&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Faculty availability&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Syllabus and examinations are controlled externally. This hurts teacher-student relationship&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Industry not involved in definition of metrics&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Policy&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Trade&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;India, china account for large % of the buying community&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;$30B of eductation import/export trade globally&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;India imports about $800M - $1B&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;140,000 indian students go abroad per year&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;17000 students come to india for education&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Cost recovery&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Only 20% in govt. inst.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Goal is about 25% internationally&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;100% in private&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Lots of regulation in place&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Admissions&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Fee structure&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Programs&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Scholarships not favored of late by the govt.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Loans are preferred&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Other notes&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Common entrance tests have effected the chances of weaker sections&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;My thoughts&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Public/Private framework for education business&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Rewards in the form of jobs&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Industry needs to define quality metrics&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Education bubble?&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Bubble burst will lead to better policy frameworks?&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Trickle down effect on quality?&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;" &gt;Real choice for students will only come after awareness campaigns&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Capacity&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Distance education&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Investment intensive?&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Chains of institutions&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Reuse of lessons&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Reliance? :-)&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Demand&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Indirect impetus to arts and humanities&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2356738794393378915-4753773801414714001?l=openforumblr.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://openforumblr.blogspot.com/feeds/4753773801414714001/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2356738794393378915&amp;postID=4753773801414714001' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2356738794393378915/posts/default/4753773801414714001'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2356738794393378915/posts/default/4753773801414714001'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://openforumblr.blogspot.com/2008/12/higher-education-policy-in-india.html' title='Higher education policy in India'/><author><name>Prasad A. Chodavarapu</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14572906713142056080</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356738794393378915.post-8850127660112175563</id><published>2008-12-07T07:31:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-03-28T12:09:53.299-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Man made global warming - reality or a convenient argument?</title><content type='html'>Here are my high-level take-aways from OpenForum discussion on man-made global warming:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;It does make sense to conserve energy and resources - after all, it results in money savings too!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;BUT, most of the "green" talk that took on a feverish pitch of late is a direct result of businesses realizing that they have "green" products/services to sell. E.g., IT firms such as IBM and Sun talk about Green IT.  NDTV regularly runs a "green" ticker sponsored by Toyota. Obama constantly talks about US government funding "green" businesses in order to create jobs.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:166;"  &gt;Running notes from Man-made global warming discussion&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Threats to&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Cities&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Developed world&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Farming&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Long assumed calendars change&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Traditional Monsoon &lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;starts around may 15&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;rains atleast every 10 days&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;stops around november&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Monsoons of late&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Starting late&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Intensity is high&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Gap between rains is longer&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Threat perception is different from nation to nation&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Submergence of  islands&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Benefits&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Higher the CO2, better photo-synthesis and higher the yield&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Plants use about 400 litres of water for absorbing 1kg of carbon&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;But will water be available?&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Actions&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Euro3/EPA&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Energy efficiency/consumption&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Carbon trading/CDM&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Renewable energy&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Environmental law&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Enforcement is missing&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Views of participants&lt;/span&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;We seem to be worried more about debunking false theories but let's assume truth will come out eventually in an adversarial system where lobbies on both sides are equally powerful&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;There is no argument that there is change&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Question is can we do something meaningful about it?&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Militating against consumerism has not been successful so far&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;One insurance company prints 650000 pages per day&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Economics of energy usage are very important&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Positioning ourselves in a way that we can survive in many eventualities&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Access to clean technologies&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Land availability for solar panels, ethanol production, wind mills&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Green computing intiatives&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Related to other problems such as health?&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Not really - SO2, N2O can be reduced without reducing emissions&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Hydrogen storage&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Lobbies and beneficiaries&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;New engine technology lobby&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Alternative fuels&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Bio&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Nuclear&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Solar/wind&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Mass transport lobby&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Higher the efficiency, higher may be usage&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2356738794393378915-8850127660112175563?l=openforumblr.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://openforumblr.blogspot.com/feeds/8850127660112175563/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2356738794393378915&amp;postID=8850127660112175563' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2356738794393378915/posts/default/8850127660112175563'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2356738794393378915/posts/default/8850127660112175563'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://openforumblr.blogspot.com/2008/12/man-made-global-warming-how-much-of-it.html' title='Man made global warming - reality or a convenient argument?'/><author><name>Prasad A. Chodavarapu</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14572906713142056080</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356738794393378915.post-8765733459619263204</id><published>2008-12-07T00:51:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-07T11:12:58.493-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Discussion on Agricultural subsidies at WTO and Indian Interests</title><content type='html'>Disclaimer: What I'm blogging here are just impressions formed from the discussions at OpenForum. I may be loose in my language and hence, this material can at best be used as a quick summary; it is definitely not intended as an authoritative summary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Doha round of WTO is currently stuck on the topic of agricultural subsidies. India is leading a group of developing nations in pressurizing EU and US on reducing the subsidies they give to their farmers and agri firms. EU and US are of course not very eager to give in. Who's losing out in this battle of wits? What is India's interest in this negotiation? Is it really true that India and other developing nations are losing out as a result of past WTO accords? These were the questions that were discussed by the OpenForum.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm attaching at the end of this blog the notes I made during the discussion. The points that stand out are:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;India's trade in agriculture is very small compared to overall agricultural production in India. In other words, India neither exports nor imports much of farm products.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Given this, India may not really have too much stake in the agri subsidies debate. Seems like India is really using this issue to gain concessions in other discussions and this seems to be a common practice in WTO.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Contrary to popular opinion, Indian government seems to be playing its cards well, with about a 100 member delegation in geneva&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;WTO has enabled quite a few developing countries to safeguard their interests. &lt;a href="http://spicyipindia.blogspot.com/2008/02/turning-trips-on-its-head-cross.html"&gt;Ecuador's banana example&lt;/a&gt; is funny. Ecuador won its dispute with EU on banana trade by threatening to suspend TRIPS and allow piracy of EU IP in Ecuador. Similarly, India seems to have bartered (outside of WTO?) opening up of legal services market in India in exchange for opening up of US market for India's mangoes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;It's important that WTO succeeds in increasing world trade. It's not really an evil as it is often made out to be. Ignorance on how WTO is really structured is creating unnecessary paranoia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="fullpost"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:166;"  &gt;Running notes from discussion on "WTO Doha Round - agri subsidies and indian interests"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Notes made before meeting&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Are we producing as much as we can?&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Is land available?&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Total land area: 328 million hectares&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;140 mh of sown land - roughly same since 1970&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;122 mh is unavailable - forests/grazing/other uses/barren&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;13 mh - culturable waste land&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;27 mh of fallow land&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;Cropping intensity - 135%&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Is water available?&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;55 mh of net irrigated area&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;77 mh of total irrigated area&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;How much is available for export after internal consumption?&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Rice: 3.4 million tonnes exported out of 85.72 million tonnes!&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Oil seeds: 3.1 million tonnes exported out of 22.6(?) mt&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Wheat: 4mt out of 70mt&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Total exports: 25 mil tonnes excluding marine and paper/wood, out of about 545 mt?&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Impact of subsidies in other countries&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Impact on our exports&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Impact on competitiveness in india&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Impact on consumers in india&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Impact on our subsidies&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Impact on our exports&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 255);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:150;"  &gt;Discussion Notes&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;WTO's core principles&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Bilateral MFN agreements cannot impinge on a third country&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Outsiders will be treated as insiders&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Act as a dispute settler&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;     &lt;p&gt;       Example: Ecuador/Gautemala vs. EC     &lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p&gt;       where EC wanted to prefer north-african suppliers of bananas     &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;More than 400 disputes argued&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"&gt;300 settled&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Periodic negotiations&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Reverse consensus&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Proposal is accepted unless there is consensus for dumping the proposal&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;India maintains a 100 member delegation in geneva&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Uruguay (1995) round - formed WTO&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Singapore (1999) issues raised by developed countries&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Trade and investment, e.g. limitation on foreign ownership&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Trade and competition, e.g. MRTP like anti-monopoly laws&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Trade facilitation&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Government procurement&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Doha (2001) Development agenda proposed as a retaliation to Singapore issues&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Till doha round is consummated, singapore issues are not to be taken up&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Novartis - gleevec&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Agriculture&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Domestic support&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Export subsidies&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;market access&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;mango market access bartered for access to law services mkt&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;even on imports, we want to reduce subsidies as otherwise monopoly can come into place on the supplier side&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;why is india interested in lower agri subsidies although there is little direct benefit&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;india - wants to delay NAMA&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;india - better bargaining power in services&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Afro-carribean parties (acp) coming together for cotton subsidy reduction&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Why are indian farmers against wto?&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Once subsidies are ruled out, india also cannot subsidize its farmers&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;red subsidies - direct incentive to producer for exporting&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;amber subsidies - those that may have an injurious impact on others&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 180, 57);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:133;"  &gt;Non-trade concerns&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Food security&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-family:SansSerif,sans-serif;font-size:116;"  &gt;Allied activities - crop insurance scheme, may get hit&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2356738794393378915-8765733459619263204?l=openforumblr.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://openforumblr.blogspot.com/feeds/8765733459619263204/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2356738794393378915&amp;postID=8765733459619263204' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2356738794393378915/posts/default/8765733459619263204'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2356738794393378915/posts/default/8765733459619263204'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://openforumblr.blogspot.com/2008/12/discussion-on-agricultural-subsidies-at.html' title='Discussion on Agricultural subsidies at WTO and Indian Interests'/><author><name>Prasad A. 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